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Vindictive isn't the same group I joined up for anymore

Nishanna

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Vindicitive isn't the same group I joined up for anym...

Sorry to be the party pooper, but my patience has finally worn itself out.  

Everyone who knows me, knows I'm pretty laid back gaming-wise.  I don't really "talk-shop", my play schedule is irratic and subject to time and computer availability.  

About a year ago, Jared's main PC blew it's CPU and who knows what else, rendering it usless.  At the time I was finishing up my last semester for my bachelors and commuting an hour to school and back, so Jared got hooked onto gaming and using my PC as his own.  I love my husband and understand his needs and don't hold it against him.  However this pretty much drove my gaming to a grinding halt.  I've been working since I finished school so anytime I am home, Jared and I usually spend time together off the computer since there is only one that can play video games.  

So after that happened, Jared joined Vindicitive and started really getting close to the community.  I resisted for a while, not really having the time, but soon started talking to people on Vent because I had givin up on CoH. At a time I was trying to save any penny I could just to get by, I ended up reactivating my account, just to play with folks.  It was a good group of people that I enjoyed playing with, and the game was something to do while being with people I enjoyed talking with.

So time came around where the group switched over to Warhammer.  Inevitably, not everyone came along. Some didn't like WAR, some still liked CoH, some had other RL matters pressing.  But I still saw the same folks hoping on the forums and BSing.


That's the Vindictive I joined for.

Warhammer on Vortex destruction seems to bring out the best in people (that was sarcastic if anyone missed it)

Inevitablely when the guild started to grow people joined and not everyone had the same opinions, or even got along.  About two months ago, I started packing and fussing about moving and stopped reading the forums. At the time I don't recall seeing much of the older members, who didn't come along in game, posting much.   When things started settling down after the move, I didn't really feel like catching up on the forums, because I just didn't find it worth the time to sift through it.  I'll blatently say that I have no idea what's being posted on the forums atm.  Jared on the other hand, being on officer has continually made effort time and again to stay intuned and online to be an involved officer.  I've had to make concessions to letting him play or be online when I wanted to do something else.  I'm not one to be the controlling wife that is anti-games.

Point being that though I have been playing little and not reading the forums, I still hear about what's going on. Jared talks to me about what's going on, I hop on Vent, Jared leaves his speakers on when playing so I can hear folks, etc.

And I've had about enough.

For a while now I've noticed a trend about folks getting up in arms over the details of maximizing the game, and making Vindicitive the best guild possible.  Over and over again I've heard about how uber we should be and what stringent rules we should make to get guild exp faster, kicking alts, raising taxes, harping on people to not alt and stick with one toon.  It's not the actions themselves that irk me, but the attitude people have anymore.  People don't just talk anymore, it's mostly "shop-talk" anymore.  I stopped playing less and less, because it wasn't enjoyable anymore.  Lately I've also have to deal with Jared getting pissed over and over again at people being incapable of just getting along.  I got so fed up with it, one night I came home, heard Vent going, and just blew up, "Jared, I don't care what's going on, turn that shit off. I don''t want to hear about it today." I couldn't believe it had gotten to that point.  

So I've been waiting for things to have calmed down.  Maybe after Mager and Hue left the tension would calm down and people would just enjoy play again.  But the problem didn't end.  People in this game seem to be taking it and themselves way to fucking seriously, IMO.  Anymore, what Jared tells me is going on just makes me want to play less and less.

When I started playing Aion, I got motivated to play all over again.  I had a hick up with my account last weekend, and had nothing else to do, Jared was napping, so I hopped on WAR.  I realized the game itself was OK, not great, but not bad.  I could still get enjoyment out of it, if I kept playing.  I realized it was Vindicitive that I didn't want to deal with.  

This week I've been waking up to hear Jared and Aemon either bitching about current Vindicitive, or reminising about old Vindicitive.  So this morning while all groggy and not feeling like playing nice nice anymore, I'm spelling it out for you.

For those of you fairly new to Vindicitive, or those who haven't been here from the start (Vindicitive on WAR being only since January, out of a 3+ yrs history) this post may be utterly meaningless to you.  If you enjoy the group you joined then have at it. It's all yours.  

So what's my point?  I keep hearing people spout off about "how Vindicitive rolls", "what it means to be Vindicitive".   Have you realized that only three people are currently playing out of the three years this group has been playing?  Lanks stopped long ago, Aemon talks, but doesn't play, Stomp said fuck this shit and left without a word, and he's the one who pays actually money for this group to use the forums and Vent.  

So this is my rant.  I probably won't look back to this post, since I don't particuallarly look at the forums, I'll still play off and on, I'll still be on Vent.  Jared still plays and has hopes of getting people together, I still have some friends who do play and talk on Vent, but as far as the "hard-core Vindicitive guild" you can count me out.  

If you want to put out this brush fire out.  It's too late.  My forest already burnt down. I'll just be hanging around to see if anything grows back.
 
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I'd also like to point out that looking at the guild roster lately, I've seen a significant drop in how many people are online at any given moment than I would see two months ago.  That's realy hard-core.  Only the most dedicated and active people playin g I take it?  I bet that really helps for guild exp.
 
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Nishanna said:
I'd also like to point out that looking at the guild roster lately, I've seen a significant drop in how many people iare online at any given moment than I would see two months ago.  That's realy hard-core.  Only the most dedicated and active people playin g I take it?  I bet that really helps for guild exp.

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Nishanna said:
Sorry to be the party pooper, but my patience has finally worn itself out. Everyone who knows me, knows I'm pretty laid back gaming-wise. I don't really "talk-shop", my play schedule is irratic and subject to time and computer availability. About a year ago, Jared's main PC blew it's CPU and who knows what else, rendering it usless. At the time I was finishing up my last semester for my bachelors and commuting an hour to school and back, so Jared got hooked onto gaming and using my PC as his own. I love my husband and understand his needs and don't hold it against him. However this pretty much drove my gaming to a grinding halt. I've been working since I finished school so anytime I am home, Jared and I usually spend time together off the computer since there is only one that can play video games. So after that happened, Jared joined Vindicitive and started really getting close to the community. I resisted for a while, not really having the time, but soon started talking to people on Vent because I had givin up on CoH. At a time I was trying to save any penny I could just to get by, I ended up reactivating my account, just to play with folks. It was a good group of people that I enjoyed playing with, and the game was something to do while being with people I enjoyed talking with.So time came around where the group switched over to Warhammer. Inevitably, not everyone came along. Some didn't like WAR, some still liked CoH, some had other RL matters pressing. But I still saw the same folks hoping on the forums and BSing.That's the Vindictive I joined for. Warhammer on Vortex destruction seems to bring out the best in people (that was sarcastic if anyone missed it)Inevitablely when the guild started to grow people joined and not everyone had the same opinions, or even got along. About two months ago, I started packing and fussing about moving and stopped reading the forums. At the time I don't recall seeing much of the older members, who didn't come along in game, posting much. When things started settling down after the move, I didn't really feel like catching up on the forums, because I just didn't find it worth the time to sift through it. I'll blatently say that I have no idea what's being posted on the forums atm. Jared on the other hand, being on officer has continually made effort time and again to stay intuned and online to be an involved officer. I've had to make concessions to letting him play or be online when I wanted to do something else. I'm not one to be the controlling wife that is anti-games. Point being that though I have been playing little and not reading the forums, I still hear about what's going on. Jared talks to me about what's going on, I hop on Vent, Jared leaves his speakers on when playing so I can hear folks, etc.And I've had about enough.For a while now I've noticed a trend about folks getting up in arms over the details of maximizing the game, and making Vindicitive the best guild possible. Over and over again I've heard about how uber we should be and what stringent rules we should make to get guild exp faster, kicking alts, raising taxes, harping on people to not alt and stick with one toon. It's not the actions themselves that irk me, but the attitude people have anymore. People don't just talk anymore, it's mostly "shop-talk" anymore. I stopped playing less and less, because it wasn't enjoyable anymore. Lately I've also have to deal with Jared getting pissed over and over again at people being incapable of just getting along. I got so fed up with it, one night I came home, heard Vent going, and just blew up, "Jared, I don't care what's going on, turn that shit off. I don''t want to hear about it today." I couldn't believe it had gotten to that point. So I've been waiting for things to have calmed down. Maybe after Mager and Hue left the tension would calm down and people would just enjoy play again. But the problem didn't end. People in this game seem to be taking it and themselves way to fucking seriously, IMO. Anymore, what Jared tells me is going on just makes me want to play less and less. When I started playing Aion, I got motivated to play all over again. I had a hick up with my account last weekend, and had nothing else to do, Jared was napping, so I hopped on WAR. I realized the game itself was OK, not great, but not bad. I could still get enjoyment out of it, if I kept playing. I realized it was Vindicitive that I didn't want to deal with. This week I've been waking up to hear Jared and Aemon either bitching about current Vindicitive, or reminising about old Vindicitive. So this morning while all groggy and not feeling like playing nice nice anymore, I'm spelling it out for you.For those of you fairly new to Vindicitive, or those who haven't been here from the start (Vindicitive on WAR being only since January, out of a 3+ yrs history) this post may be utterly meaningless to you. If you enjoy the group you joined then have at it. It's all yours. So what's my point? I keep hearing people spout off about "how Vindicitive rolls", "what it means to be Vindicitive". Have you realized that only three people are currently playing out of the three years this group has been playing? Lanks stopped long ago, Aemon talks, but doesn't play, Stomp said fuck this shit and left without a word, and he's the one who pays actually money for this group to use the forums and Vent. So this is my rant. I probably won't look back to this post, since I don't particuallarly look at the forums, I'll still play off and on, I'll still be on Vent. Jared still plays and has hopes of getting people together, I still have some friends who do play and talk on Vent, but as far as the "hard-core Vindicitive guild" you can count me out. If you want to put out this brush fire out. It's too late. My forest already burnt down. I'll just be hanging around to see if anything grows back.

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RE: Vindicitive isn't the same group I joined up for ...

After a certain point, what do you get out of guild ranks anyways? Minor buffs?  Did anyone think that by kicking alts, and not having more than 2 characters, you're just shooting yourself in the foot?  You hurt active people who enjoy the game with multiple characters.  You make a deturant for new members who play that way, and if you were to make a policy to that keeps people from cross guilding, then you completely isolate out those players.  <div>
</div><div>Also, it's more difficult to recruit people already at T4 who probablely have already made friends and loyalties, than a lowbie that a) is looking for a group to join, or b) testing the waters to see what else is availble.  By not having active members in lower tiers, there is no motivation for people to stay in a guild where there aren't active members in their range.  Another reason I stopped playing as often, is there was noone to play with.  I maybe saw one person in my tier and they were a quite person as well.  </div><div>
</div><div>I'm not an officer, so I didn't argue the point when that particular policy was made.  I thought there was  enough officers who saw that argument when it was presented. Since I dropped one bomb, I felt I needed to get this bit off my chest before I left for work as well. </div><div>
</div><div>So you want to be uber and make playing WAR a job....</div><div>
</div><div>Weren't we making fun of Massacre for just that?</div>
 
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All I can say to this is KERRRCHAAA

This is what happens when men lead the world. LOL
 
RE: Vindictive isn't the same group I joined up for a...

Vindictive was a successful group on CoH/CoV because we really didn't have many rules or requirements. &nbsp;I joined Vindictive about a couple months after Tryden created it and I was on and off since Vindictive was mainly Villains and I was playing Heroes at the time. &nbsp;Of course, I've been in several guilds on CoH/V before and I thought that this was just another Super Group, no different than any others.<div>
</div><div>I was eventually proved wrong by the much friendly members and some perverted individuals, very much like myself, and I started to hang out with Vindictive more often. &nbsp;It is obvious, after several years of being in vindictive, that we are a successful guild because of how well we get along (most of us), it didn't have anything to do with anyone being pros or noobs (or else Tryden wouldn't have lead). &nbsp;However, we were fortunate enough to have some pretty damn good players on Vindictive that were interested in PvP and that made us competitive and was the key for us to rise to the top of the server we were on.</div><div>
</div><div>The problem we have with Warhammer is that we recruited a lot more players. &nbsp;Truth be told, the bigger the guild is, the more diversity in members we'll have (which also comes with more disagreements) and the harder it is to manage. &nbsp;Of course, we had quarrels even when Vindictive had like 20 active members on CoH/V, but 20 was a lot easier to handle than 50+. &nbsp;Still, Tryden was the only actual leader and made most of the decisions so we were ok. &nbsp;Now, however, we have around 10+ officers that can make official decisions (which was necessary since there was no way 1 man could run such a huge guild), and it's a problem when the officers themselves have different opinions.</div><div>
</div><div>Long story short, Vindictive became less fun for some people (not myself since somehow being a pedophile attracts people) because:</div><div>- the advantage of having a small group, of 20 members on CoH/V, was that everyone knows each other, so even if there were quarrels, it was easily resolved since we were all friends (awee <3)</div><div>- the disadvantage of having a big group, like now, is that a lot of people don't know one another, so if there are disagreements, people wont think twice about biting someone's head off, since it's just some random noob.</div><div>
</div><div>- we're a fairly big guild (50-100 members?), which is like managing a small community.</div><div>- in order to manage all these people, we eventually needed a system of rules and regulations (since it would have been a mess if we had run things the way we did on CoH/V with a group of this magnitude)</div><div>- these rules and regulations, at the same time also upset many players, since the point of playing a game is to kick back and have a good time.</div><div>
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</div><div>I'm sorry that you feel this way, Hanna
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beatlebabe6 said:
All I can say to this is KERRRCHAAA

This is what happens when men lead the world. LOL
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</div><div>And I say get back in the kitchen, woman!</div>
 
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.SPiNE said:
<div>Long story short, Vindictive became less fun for some people (not myself since somehow being a pedophile attracts people) because:</div><div>- the advantage of having a small group, of 20 members on CoH/V, was that everyone knows each other, so even if there were quarrels, it was easily resolved since we were all friends (awee <3)</div><div>- the disadvantage of having a big group, like now, is that a lot of people don't know one another, so if there are disagreements, people wont think twice about biting someone's head off, since it's just some random noob.</div><div>
</div><div>- we're a fairly big guild (50-100 members?), which is like managing a small community.</div><div>- in order to manage all these people, we eventually needed a system of rules and regulations (since it would have been a mess if we had run things the way we did on CoH/V with a group of this magnitude)</div><div>- these rules and regulations, at the same time also upset many players, since the point of playing a game is to kick back and have a good time.</div><div>

I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that I would RARELY see more than ten people on Vent griping about what we should be doing to be more uber. It wasn't always the same ten, but if you listed off everyone who ever griped about it, it still wouldn't be more than 20 (maybe wouldn't even be 10, I just didn't hear everyone's perspective).&nbsp; The same number you gave for the CoH/CoV days.&nbsp;

It still comes down to attitude.&nbsp; Before people seemed to prize getting along first and for most.&nbsp; We (collectively) were good and so we rose to the top and had a good laugh together as we loled at everyone.&nbsp; Nowadays I hear people talking about the game, how to get themselves or the guild to the top and I hear very little of people having a good time.&nbsp;

And I noticed I haven't seen much of you Spine either.&nbsp; I miss ya buddy, you're crazy and wierd, but if I didn't enjoy crazy and wierd, I wouldn't have married JAred, now would I.&nbsp; Do you still play? How often?&nbsp; Is it because of RL or preferance?&nbsp; RL was my reason at first, but then I didn't really want to go back.&nbsp; I'd be interested to hear other's perspective, but I doubt I'll change my mind.</div>
 
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Yeah I can't talk about much that is regarding vindictive but I agree with a lot that was said. When I joined it seemed to be just for fun in the guild but later on it turned into a guild grind we have to be better then the rest and so I went along with it because I could "hang out" with the people I liked. But that changed fast because I can't do a rvr grind all day and I can't keep runing bile and blood because it gets dull and boring and the main thing is that I am a quester and enjoy the pve side more then rvr.The main reason I was logging on lately was to talk to people on vent but most of the time there is nothing going on in there either. I have talked to a few people about this and most of them agree that war is made to pull out the competitive side in people and it seems that if you can't keep up you get left out. Because I'm not fully active anymore I try to support in different ways (money and items for the guild vault) but at this rate I am going to give tomb kings a chance and most likely do the story line but if there is nothing world moving. I will consider leaving the game but I like the people in vindictive so I'll stick around anyway
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The way it looks is that the guild is split in three. The war players, the aion players and the people that are bored/fed up. That's the main reason on why the guild is empty as of late (or atleast I think that's why)But yeah if the guild os really as strong as clay, aribella and jared say we should get back on track
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Oh and I agree with beatlebabe!!!!!
 
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Hanna: &nbsp;Yea, I haven't been on Vent lately because I've been playing Aion<span>
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. &nbsp;I kind of got tired of WAR because of the game, I don't have problems with anyone in the guild though. &nbsp;I am getting on Vent more often now...but I'm always on the forumz!</span>
 
RE: Vindicitive isn't the same group I joined up for ...

After a certain point, what do you get out of guild ranks anyways?Minor buffs? &nbsp;Did anyone think that by kicking alts, and not havingmore than 2 characters, you're just shooting yourself in the foot? &nbsp;Youhurt active people who enjoy the game with multiple characters. &nbsp;Youmake a deturant for new members who play that way, and if you were tomake a policy to that keeps people from cross guilding, then youcompletely isolate out those players.&nbsp;

No disrespect intended but thats your opinion not fact and the guild growth has exeploded since the changes were made we are averaging 13% a day vs the old 2-4%. Personally I find it depressing to log onto a guild look at the roster and see 80 plus players who havent been on in over a month. Way I see it is we have trimmed off the dead branchs and now maybe just maybe if we really want it we can start mending the mess the drama cuased.

I wont comment on anything else that you said out of respect that your clearly as frustrated as many of us are with the state of things I hope you find something new to make you happy mmos are no place for people to live anyways.

When i joined vindictive roughly a month ago I think? It was a thriving guild that seemed to have a bright amazing future it was making a name for itself in and out of the rvr pools as a guild that was great to have a around. It would be easy to blame things on certian people and or their actions or lack of action but thats not the real issue. vindictive was founded on a bad server said server is in the throes of dying as a result people are unhappy which lends itself to creating petty fights, bitterness over stupid shit and all we do is end up waiting for zone locks bad talking everyone else on the server and then fighting with each over our opinions about other people on server. I am just as guilty as the rest I am bored with the pvp grind I despise the dungons and I hate the players who exeploit and duel so like many others I sit in vent and bitch pointlessy about things that bother me. Before I moved to this server I enjoyed this game as it stand if tomb kings does not radically change things I will be throwing in the towl and retiring jinbig and my account
 
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Well said Hanna.

As for her comment on me, Im forced to agree.&nbsp; This is not the Vindictive that I've been nurtured and helped grow for the last 4 years.&nbsp; As long as there is a Vindictive guild, you'll have a Stomp in it.&nbsp; Regardless of what ever happens.&nbsp; Im not happy with the current state, and thats not why im playing.&nbsp; I've spoken with some people about my thoughts and they see where im coming from and why.
 
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I think you spelled vindictive wrong, hanna =/. &nbsp;way to fail!
 
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.SPiNE said:
I think you spelled vindictive wrong, hanna =/.  way to fail!
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</div><div>This is Hanna.  Forgot to log out of Jared's guild portal account again.</div><div>
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</div><div>I did mention I was groggy...  <span>
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</div><div>Also, I've never had a problem with an inactivity policy, it's the explicit no more than 2 characters that bugs me.  I know I've seen Jared hopping between 5 characters within one DAY, and I'm sure he's not the only one.  Like noticing there is nothing going on in T4, hop on a lowbie, get sick of tanking, play a healer, a buddy hops and needs help from another character you have, that type of flexibility.</div><div>
</div><div>Sorry for not distinguishing the two.</div><div>
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Also, I've never had a problem with an inactivity policy, it's the explicit no more than 2 characters that bugs me. &nbsp;I know I've seen Jared hopping between 5 characters within one DAY, and I'm sure he's not the only one. &nbsp;Like noticing there is nothing going on in T4, hop on a lowbie, get sick of tanking, play a healer, a buddy hops and needs help from another character you have, that type of flexibility.
&nbsp; <div><div>Well see this was actually a win win situation by dropping the toons.&nbsp; Ill explain why.

You reasons for wanting to keep them around are still in every way satisfied.&nbsp; No matter what toon you are playing, you can always be in Vent talking with your friends.&nbsp; If you want to play with them in game, you can still form parties and roam around with them just the same as being in the guild.&nbsp; So im not seeing a difference on this level of personal enjoyment of the game.

On the other hand, by limiting the toons in the guild, you are doing the entire guild a favor by allowing it to level up faster.&nbsp; Guild Ranks do matter a lot and give incredible advantages to everyone in it.&nbsp; Advantages, that in most cases that can still be shared by the toons not in the guild.

Not speaking for anyone as this is my opinion, but Uchoo has probably an equal number of toons as Jared and I believe he was also one of the people who supported the limit.&nbsp; I only mention him because he more then anyone due to number of toons and his enjoyment of all of them for different aspects, can identify with Jared, but chose the opposite path.

As for the change to the guild, as others have said it was bound to happen as it grew.&nbsp; Much like my perssonal experiances in life, things never stay the same as when we started them.&nbsp; I often miss "the old days" with very fun memories of friends, past jobs etc.&nbsp; But life is ever evolving and moving forward.&nbsp; New personalities come into your sphere of life and leave their marks and effect changes, if even only subtle ones.

I guess what im trying to say is that change is inevitable.&nbsp; All we can do if go with it and adapt and make it a positive change.&nbsp; Dont be discouraged by it though.&nbsp; I am speaking as one of the "new blood"&nbsp;of this family of gamers, and I admit there are things I&nbsp;too&nbsp;already miss from when I joined.&nbsp; But the guild as a whole, on this game or the next, I think is always going to be changing in posititve ways if given the ability to let change run its course.&nbsp; There are too many good people involved with this guild for it to happen any other way.&nbsp; Just takes a little patience and faith in those who you came to enjoy spending your time with to see it through.</div></div>
 
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Nensi, I don't mean this to single you out or be beligerent in anyway.  That first part of your post is exactly what I'm upset about.  The alt issue was only a minor after thought to my entire issue with the current state of the guild.  <div>
</div><div>As an example, you picked apart the arguments to why we should make this restrictions on people's playing for the sake of being more hardcore.  I'm not getting further into an already settled discussion. I was just expressing my disappointment in that decision. </div><div>
</div><div>I also don't think you understand my post either.</div><div>
</div><div>I understand times change, and so does a group based on people's fluctuating presence. I said that already. Let me attempt to spell it out a bit better.</div><div>
</div><div>People come and go and talk about how many guilds they have been in and left.  If they leave so many groups it tells me one of two things</div><div>
</div><div>A- The groups people find are not to thier liking</div><div>
</div><div>B- They themselves have a hard time getting along with people long enough to stay in a group for an extended peiriod of time.</div><div>
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</div><div>Vindictive has been around for 4-3 years. </div><div>
</div><div>Tryden is not the only one who has made up the group. </div><div>
</div><div>Older members correct me if I am wrong, but there are a number of people who have continued  in this one group for a good number of years and have become close friends. Other than that, there have been a good number of fluctuating players who enjoy the game and the community.</div><div>
</div><div>Currently, out of the group that came from CoH/CoV, only three people still play this game. Tryden, Imagikin, and Jared.  It may be a testiment to Warhammer or it could be the group in it's current in carnation.</div><div>
</div><div>After 3-4 years and any number of games we all have tried. This group of buddies and close friends, whom I've had the wonderful pleasure of enjoying their company over the year, have managed to stick together for those many years. Out of those people only the leader and two other people think Warhammer and the current group is worth playing with.  </div><div>
</div><div>My hope is that the next game people try out will attract the older members back and we can play together again.  I'm hoping for Aion, but there are plenty of other games people are waiting for as well.</div>
 
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I was hesitant to post because I am a fairly new and fairly quiet member, but I decided to throw out my POV anyway.
I first joined Vindictive because I had heard that faster mounts were available to guilds (and aribella was recruiting). I stayed in Vindictive because of the conversations, and the people. I've quit games while guilded before, but this is the first guild that I've wanted to stay with across different games.&nbsp; I think that Vindictive has a philosophy and a community that I enjoy, and I could really care less about being in a "Top" guild.

Not sure where I'm going with this. Better quit now.
 
RE: Vindicitive isn't the same group I joined up for ...

Dont worry Frooz, we love you no matter how drunk you&nbsp;become or how tangential your posts are
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RE: Vindicitive isn't the same group I joined up for ...

gorbella said:
I was hesitant to post because I am a fairly new and fairly quiet member, but I decided to throw out my POV anyway.
I first joined Vindictive because I had heard that faster mounts were available to guilds (and aribella was recruiting). I stayed in Vindictive because of the conversations, and the people. I've quit games while guilded before, but this is the first guild that I've wanted to stay with across different games.&nbsp; I think that Vindictive has a philosophy and a community that I enjoy, and I could really care less about being in a "Top" guild.

Not sure where I'm going with this. Better quit now.
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</div><div>Yea, you know I'm the reason you want to stay in Vindictive <3</div>
 
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