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GUILD TAX: Thinking about bumping it to 30%

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VOTE ON GUILD TAX: Possible increase from 5% to 30%

Vindictive's about to hit the big times in Warhammer Online. With a huge influx of players, and us dominating Tier 3 RvR right now, the bulk of the guild will enter T4 in a couple of weeks. That means we'll be able to start taking keeps.

But that also means things are going to start to get costly. From what I understand, it costs 120g+ an hour to maintain these keeps once you take them in T4. That needs to come out of Vindictive's pockets.

Our handsomest officer Aribella is proposing we bump up the guild tax to 30% - which a lot of the larger guilds on Vortex already do. I support him on this, but I want to get  feedback from other Vindictive members before we change anything. Do you support this? Do you want a compromise between this and our current 5%? HAVE YOUR VOICE HEARD.

I'm giving 1 week for this thread to be open and to allow for member feedback. Then I'll close it and make a decision. Either way, you're not going to be lambasted for disagreeing with the 30% increase. If you don't like it simply say so and your reasoning. This is a democracy after all, and if enough people don't like something it'll change.

So I'll start: I support the 30% bump. I personally have never had problems with gold, and I'm willing to change some rules like helping members buy mounts if they need if the tax rate gets set to 30%.
 
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I didn't think they had DEMOCRATS in Canada?!? down with raising taxes!!!!! Tell the developers to legalize marijuana and prostitution!!!! ive seen some of those phunny plants on my 2 week free try out. And im sure the dwarves are good in their dark caves, a mouth is a mouth in the dark. 
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So demands... Keg
 
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I vote for the 30%

but honestly, i think it should be 50% we will need the money to further the progression and have a fat (Sorry Jared) Bachelor pad in game!

But 30% for sure.  Ill start saving up and help lower members get thier mounts too, i dont wan tthem to think that we are trying to take that from them
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30% yes.&nbsp; 50% should be more like it <3
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RE: VOTE ON GUILD TAX: Possible increase from 5% to 30%

<h3><span class="mw-headline">Claiming keeps</span></h3><p>A Guild, assuming it has achieved the proper level, may 'claim' <strong class="selflink">keeps[/b]in the game, once they are captured. Though any non-guilded player cantake part in assaulting a keep and can capture it for their realm to gain the RvR benefits of owning a keep, once the battle has been won, a guilded player carrying a banner can capture the central point of the keep so that its control is switched to the player's respective guild. This is done by clicking on one of two banners on the wall of the top floor of the keep. Claiming a keep will allow the guild to hang their bannerfrom the keep ramparts, along with any banners captured from enemyguilds. Controlling a keep will also give a bonus to the guild's rank.</p><p>Maintaining ownership of a keep comes with an upkeep cost. Thiscost is automatically deducted every 5 minutes from the guild bank.</p><p>Tier 2 Keep =&nbsp;?s every 5 mins</p><p>Tier 3 Keep =&nbsp;?s every 5 mins</p><p>Tier 4 keep = 20s every 5 mins
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</p><p>That's 4 gold/hr in t4, I believe. Anyone got better more detailed info? Honestly, seems like a waste of gold to me atm, without knowing what this bonus actually is... If we earn a TON of renown for the guild then ok... I'm totally for doing it on the weekends or special occasions, but not regularly. Taking and claiming a keep isn't that impressive in my book. Taking it and keeping (no pun intended) it during peak hours showing off the heraldry, hell yeah... Playing together and kicking ass as a group, that's how to get our name around. I'm more interested in our guild having it's heraldry hanging in the city. That's gonna take a lot of work and effort to achieve. As for the the tax increase, I don't really care... I make plenty of money, and won't really notice the loss of cash from the higher taxes. Our low tax rate is very appealing to a lot of the new people joining the guild... That's my main hangup with raising it right now. Like I've said before, Claymore has 250+ gold, and I'm more than happy to sponsor some guild activities for the time being.
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I agree with stomp it should be 50% atleast. You dont make much off kills to worry about where you make you gold is when you sell stuff you pick up. I myelf have my tithe at 75% and i still bought my mount and last name. If anybody needs money for stuff you should beable to ask any of the guild leaders, they should be able to help you out. With that said yes increase the tax rate. Zaz
 
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30 % seems fine ..Try that to see how it works..

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I'm for the 30% increase, 50% is just ridiculous since it's way too high of a number...especially since we just got a bunch of new members.  Just go with 30% and see how that goes first, we can always raise it to 50% later.<div>
</div><div>That being said, the mount is pretty much the only big chunk of money I've spent in this game, there's really nothing else to use gold for.  Trainings are practically free, auction houses are just overpriced and it would be stupid to buy anything if you're not Rank 40 since you're practically wasting gold since you'll level up anyhow.  I don't really see how you would not have enough gold for something, after getting a mount, so I'm all for the increase!</div><div>
</div><div>While I'm here, does tax only take money from the mobs/players that you kill or does it also count when you sell stuff?  I didn't really pay attention and too lazy to log on just to find that out.</div>
 
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I'm down with 30% and also have no problem with 50%. Since it only taxes money dropped from mob kills it really isn't that much from each member.
 
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only kills not what you sell.

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I think a flat 30% is fine.&nbsp; Maybe what we can do is for lowbies or new members we ask them to tithe very little beyond the 30% and higher members, officers and leads can tithe much more since they have a better grasp on the game's economy and/or access to more gold in general.
 
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What everyone needs to know about guild tax: You are only taxed on the money that you pick up from dead mobs. So it does not tax any items you sell or put on the auction. So that's about 1% of your total income being taxed 30%, so obviously it has little to no effect. I'm totally for 50%+ tax rate because 50% of 1% out of my pocket is nothing! I have my tithes at 75% and I have near 150g between my 2 main toons. Think about it guys.
 
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Viracocha11 said:
What everyone needs to know about guild tax: You are only taxed on the money that you pick up from dead mobs. So it does not tax any items you sell or put on the auction. So that's about 1% of your total income being taxed 30%, so obviously it has little to no effect. I'm totally for 50%+ tax rate because 50% of 1% out of my pocket is nothing! I have my tithes at 75% and I have near 150g between my 2 main toons. Think about it guys.
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</div><div>Well, you forgot the important fact that most of us have a life! =X</div><div>
</div><div>And stick to the parameters noob!</div>
 
RE: VOTE ON GUILD TAX: Possible increase from 5% to 30%

Spine has a good point, a lot of people may not know how to work the auction house yet for making money... Or that questing is a good way to make fast money as well...

But, anyone know what we get out of claiming keeps? That's the proposed reason in the OP for justifying the tax increase. "Making a name for the guild" isn't good enough to me. With the army of quality players we've got now, our name is going to get around very quickly without such things. Unless we get something like renown/hour for the guild or something else of significants, I'm staying off the bandwagon.
 
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I think...and this is absolutely NOT confirmed.

It makes the door really fucking hard to break down. (This I know is true)

I think you're supposed to get some kind of RP bonus when you have a keep claimed...whether that's in the zone, near area of keep, or whatever not sure.&nbsp;

Previous attempts by me and fellow guildies on other server were unable to pinpoint it's exact benefit for either guild leveling or RP bonus.&nbsp; Just as we had problems pinpointing how the hell to get victory points.
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As mentioned on vent previously, be mindful that is unlikely you will hold a keep in a contested zone during peak time for more than a day.&nbsp; Not calling anyone's gaming skill into question but you know being realistic.&nbsp; However if you claim a keep in a locked zone, then it is entirely possible you will have to fund it's "claimage" for a while.

Guild funds don't have to be used ONLY for funding keep claiming.&nbsp; Guild leader and officers could chooose to use the money to help fund guild crafting, gear etc to share amongst its members.&nbsp; So generally we all could benefit.

There is a misconception and we're all guilty of it because we've played other MMOs.&nbsp; Having lots of personal money is important.&nbsp; And that may still be the case with certain crafting on WAR...but generally the game provides you with all you need through general playing activities....gear, salvaging, etc.&nbsp; And if you're cute on the auction house, you can make a fortune.
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I already have my tithe set to 25% sooooo, I don't have an opinion? 30% though has my support. Then we can bail out Aribella when he goes on a crack binge. :)
 
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LMAO crack binge bitch I do not do crack that is a poor man's drug, I use the good stuff China White Heroine.
 
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I've raided quite a few guild-claimed keeps with Da Lost Boyz, The Black Company, and of course Vindictive and I see that Guards respawn at a much faster rate.

I know that we get an overall bonus to the rate at which we receive guild xp.

I totally agree with Beatle's thoughts about the misconception that personal money is the most important thing. It's really not, especially for a guild like Vindictive. I mean you are going to spend that money on what? a mount? rams? siege weapons? There's not a whole lot, and the guild would be more than willing to pay for any of these things if you ask an officer. Keep upkeep costs, from what I understand, can get to be quite hefty so I'm still voting for at least 50% tax, this would ensure that we can hold as keep for as long as possible and maybe we will see those guild rank 25 mounts a whole lot faster.
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This guild money also pays for our standard tactics, which are a huge bonus to us in PvE or RvR. 30% AP regen? I can spam AoE heals all day long. 30% elemental resistance? Don't worry about those BW anymore
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30% armor, 30% toughness, +15% healing crit chance, +15% melee crit chance, +15% magic crit chance? I'll leave these thoughts to you guys.
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RE: VOTE ON GUILD TAX: Possible increase from 5% to 30%

a 30% tithe is fine by me... i have np getting gold atm and i have a WE alt&nbsp; that can get gold fairly quickly.... anyway if guildies complaine about higher tithe then they have no clue about upper teir costs... al in all if you want to be in a good guild it costs... no ifs ands or butts...
 
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Doomfisting said:
a 30% tithe is fine by me... i have np getting gold atm and i have a WE alt&nbsp; that can get gold fairly quickly.... anyway if guildies complaine about higher tithe then they have no clue about upper teir costs... al in all if you want to be in a good guild it costs... no ifs ands or butts...
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Fair enough.

I think members are more or less in agreement with this increase. I think we can wait till a larger bulk of Vindictive members level into T4 before we enact it, and that will still give us some time to collect more money in preparation for keep taking.

However, starting immediately, our taxes will be raised to 10%. The Marxist guild I always envisioned now takes shape!
 
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