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GUILD TAX: Thinking about bumping it to 30%

RE: VOTE ON GUILD TAX: Possible increase from 5% to 30%

While i'm way late on this issue.. if things haven't already been decided id like to put in my .02  I am also going to leave the caveat that I may not be as knowledgeable as the rest of you on all this, so forgive me if I have some facts or ideas on shaky ground.

I agree taxes need to go up, hands down.  Though I think a step increase process should be implemented.  I've already seen it increase from 5 to 10 or 15% which is good.  It allows adjustment time, thats for sure.

The only other thing I have is what about new players?  While the guild will center around a strong core of players who should be sticking around through thick and thin, we only get better as a guild by bolstering our ranks, and letting the people work out to a level of significance or leave on their own.

With anyone "new" who isn't totally used to the idea of a very high tax rate, they may instantly be dissuaded from joining, or just quit on the spot.  While the argument of "Then they just don't have what it take's" will be the first thought for some, I wouldn't do anything that discourages people from joining from the start. At least nothing as simple at a 50% Tax Rate. I know I myself, who fully intends to be as much a contributive member as possible on all levels asked/required/through positive initiative taken, to this guild, would have probably backed out seeing such a high tax rate.

Furthermore, it takes about 25 SP, at least in T3, to travel from RVR zone to RVR zone.  With looting rules being what they are, combined with a High Tax rate and wealth and items being distrubited across several players for every drop.. players may run out of money to be able to travel from location to location. 

Also, is the tax rate simply guild wide?  Or can you set a tax rate beased on level and/or Tier?  I only ask because any players, if we are recruiting from that range, in T2 or even T1 take the biggest hit from the high tax rate.  If however we are only trying to maintain a strong T3 and T4 then that issue is mitigated faily well.  But my previously mentioned travel costs still stands, IMO.  I know those travel costs broke me from 40 gold to 22 gold in the course of a week when including having to purchase siege equipment etc.
 
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Ya the idea of the high tax rate is scary to some, especially your broke-arse Nensi. Lawl. I think I need to re-stress the importance of that guild money. First of all, we are completely willing to hand out loans to any guildees who are in need of gold. Second, Keeps are very expensive. We haven't taken a keep since our first one in tier 3 but a tier 4 keep capture by Vindictive is not far away. In fact, we almost had that happen today except another warband of order showed up. The RvR costs do get spendy with a need for 2 rams for every keep attempt, and the flight costs of course. Also guild tactics for our standards cost money. I have no problem saying that every guild member gets a certain allowance to cover flight costs, siege equipment costs, and standard costs to those who apply for Vindictive RvR runs if we were to implement this increase tax rate. This is a subject that needs further discussion and approval/disapproval by the committee members.

On a side note: Gold farming. Ah the tedious job that no one wants to do. So far this week I have made over 30g from repeatable RvR quests, spent it all on leveling talismans and still sitting on near 100g between my toons. I have potentially made myself another 100g by creating an epic talisman. Note to all scavengers: epic talismans sell for a lot, lot of gold and are not hard to farm. Sit yourself in a group of easy level 20 mobs and aoe them down. Nensi it would be a good chance for you to do some Great Weapon stuff =D Selling all the gear you from mobs on the auction is another reliable source of income because talismans makers, if not random people, will buy it up just for the mats. If you win any set pieces in RvR and don't feel like giving them to the guild, you can sell those too for at least 25g, depending on rarity (WE boots always sell for at least 50g). But the guild does need the lesser wards so at least donate any tank pieces to the guild if you win them
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If anyone else has any thoughts or ideas concerning effective and time efficient ways to farm gold, throw them out!
 
RE: VOTE ON GUILD TAX: Possible increase from 5% to 30%

Also a sidenote to Claymore, claiming keeps is at least a 50% bonus to the rate at which we get guild xp, and I think it might actually be 100%. In that 20 hours that we held a keep, most of which was real down time for the guild, we earned 20% of our way into level 15. A week later, we just got to 50%. I think the bonus is totally worth it and we need to be GR 40 to have city herardly, as well as having a really high guild renown. Personally, I don't think it's at all a waste of money, even thought it may not be hugely impressive. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to work out a schedule so we could have people farming PQs weekly for guild cash. Also we have tons of members leveling to 40 right now so the gold just keeps on flowing.
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RE: VOTE ON GUILD TAX: Possible increase from 5% to 30%

Yeah I was just giving my opinion.  If it went to 50% you know id still be around just as much as ever.  Guess I was just looking out for the new / little guy.  The benifits are IMO totally worth it as well.  The extra XP granted is awesome for us all.  What I do do, already, it sell everything I can at Auction unless I hear about someone in guild asking for specific things.  As always these go to the guild members requesting totally free before anything hits the Auction House.  Between that and just doing Quests that reward XP and Money I have gotten myself back up to a decent level.  Enough to buy my Annihlator Bracers anyway
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3 peices already.. now to just get that renown high enough to wear them.
 
RE: VOTE ON GUILD TAX: Possible increase from 5% to 30%

I see nothing wrong with increasing the guild tax to 30 or even 50%.  Right now, with no crafting skills whatsoever I still, after buying mount, last name, and every piece of +int gear I could get my grubby little hands on, have around 30 gold.
 
RE: VOTE ON GUILD TAX: Possible increase from 5% to 30%

Viracocha11 said:
Also a sidenote to Claymore, claiming keeps is at least a 50% bonus to the rate at which we get guild xp, and I think it might actually be 100%. In that 20 hours that we held a keep, most of which was real down time for the guild, we earned 20% of our way into level 15. A week later, we just got to 50%. I think the bonus is totally worth it and we need to be GR 40 to have city herardly, as well as having a really high guild renown. Personally, I don't think it's at all a waste of money, even thought it may not be hugely impressive. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to work out a schedule so we could have people farming PQs weekly for guild cash. Also we have tons of members leveling to 40 right now so the gold just keeps on flowing.
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Well, as I'm sure you noticed, I'm not one of those people who blindly follows when someone says hey this is shiny, lets play with it... I like to make rational, informed decisions. This is a big deal for the guild, and I like to have all the information before making a decision. This is a big deal that effects everyone, not just a few people. If we throw a bunch of money away, it hurts everyone potentially. Like I've said before, I'm not against claiming keeps if there is a worthwhile reward for doing it. I would have been on board with this weeks ago if you had shared this info with us then...
 
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Ya I understand your points Claymore and I didn't mean to make it seem like I was trying to Straw Man your argument or anything, because your guild gold point is valid. I would be more than happy to personally lead expeditions to farm gold for the guild so we can hold keeps or whatever other uses we have. Or maybe we can sell off some of the crap we don't use in the G-bank lawl. Maybe we should make it like 1 or 2 days a week we will hold a keep or something. Maybe we could make a drop out point, say if we had only 100g in the guild bank, we wouldn't capture a keep until 250g or something. A few ideas for you to rattle around. A side note to everyone in guild: They are planning on upgrading guild-held keeps so you can upgrade them as you hold them over time and they offer further guild rewards for this task. What these rewards are they did not say, but I would not mind being a pioneering guild to get these rewards.
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Also the first 40 slayer in the WORLD is on Vortex, he is a member of Stag Party and got 40 in 1 day, 6 hours or some such nonsense.
 
RE: VOTE ON GUILD TAX: Possible increase from 5% to 30%

I know I come off as a party pooper and a dissenter at times, but Tryden's referred to me as Vindictive's Voice of Reason before... :p Crazy I know, cause you and I can be so strong will and impetious at times in game. Even more so when we are teamed together... lol <3
 
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Malietha Lavode said:
I see nothing wrong with increasing the guild tax to 30 or even 50%.&nbsp; Right now, with no crafting skills whatsoever I still, after buying mount, last name, and every piece of +int gear I could get my grubby little hands on, have around 30 gold.
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Well that said, I was in the same shoes you were not long ago.&nbsp; Get on a kick when Order is active in T3 and over the course of 2 days you can find yourself dropping a lot of gold.&nbsp; I mean, I went from 40 to 22 gold in a few short days doing noting but SC's and Keep Takes.&nbsp;

However, as a good point to Uchoo, when I got to 22 gold and saw my last Devastator Piece at Auction for 25 gold, he helped me out on the spot.&nbsp; Not to mention Beatlebabe and Arseface both also lent me enough Gold to get around the map afterward. So I know guild members will help one another out where they can should an issue from this be made.

Like I said, I am totally ok with a 30% tax rate and wont grip about 50%.&nbsp; It NEEDS to go up because we are going to be holding Keeps now.&nbsp; My only point was that its just not something to wave a hand, at whim, and not look at the whole picture for everyone involved.&nbsp; But that point was already made and Uchoo responded in kind.&nbsp; I simply repeated all this to reinforce on you that its not that simple, IMO.
 
RE: VOTE ON GUILD TAX: Possible increase from 5% to 30%

So, how much does it cost for a promotion?<span>
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 I was broke through T3 and since hitting T4, esp. with crafting changes, I now have 70+ gold.  I don't feel the money we pick up off monsters is significant (though I understand it can be when part of all money looted by guildies goes to the guild bank).  I say we volunteer, esp. those of us in T4 and at higher guild ranks (officers etc.) to put more money in.</span><div>
</div><div>-malikar</div>
 
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The cost for a promotion? That would be putting up with officers and let us get to know you... Really, that's a lot more painful than it sounds! rofl
 
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Nashenator said:
So, how much does it cost for a promotion?<span>
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&nbsp;I was broke through T3 and since hitting T4, esp. with crafting changes, I now have 70+ gold. &nbsp;I don't feel the money we pick up off monsters is significant (though I understand it can be when part of all money looted by guildies goes to the guild bank). &nbsp;I say we volunteer, esp. those of us in T4 and at higher guild ranks (officers etc.) to put more money in.</span><div>
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I cant speak for all the officers, but at lvl 23 (almost 24
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)&nbsp;my tithe is set to 50% on top of the guilds 30% and i still dont have any problems buying myself all the heals i need and i always start any guild keep taking run with giving Winterbourne 2-3 gold to help with the purchasing of rams.&nbsp; Granted i dont believe in buying armor nor have i even ever seen the AH to be honest.&nbsp; I dont spend anything really.&nbsp; Im honestly thinking of setting mine up to make all my monster drops go to the guild.&nbsp; If someones having issues with gold in game, then i highly recommend taking up an alt with scavenging.&nbsp; The stuff you get (provided no one needs the talisman mats) sell for quite a bit over time.&nbsp; Just my 2 cents.
 
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My post was cut a bit short because my boss was coming back from lunch, lol.  The promotion part was just a joke, but the point I was trying to make was:  At least with my experience, I make all my money through the AH.  I get some decent gold through questing too, none of which gets taxed.  So, I'm happy to increase my tithes, but I also think that those of us who don't have money problems should take it upon ourselves to donate money, when we can, to the GB.  I also think it should somehow be recorded so we acknowledge those who give to the guild the same as those who take the time to help guildies.<div>
</div><div>I think it is easier in T4 because In T3, and the beginning of T4, I spent all my money on crafting supplies, but with the changes they have made, I might have been better off than I was.  Bottom line, I had money problems until T4 and I think higher taxes could have made that worse, esp. for people who only do RVR and do SC to gain levels like I did.  </div><div>
</div><div>-Malikar</div><div>
</div><div>PS.  I'm happy to drop 20G in the GB next time I'm on.<span>
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RE: VOTE ON GUILD TAX: Possible increase from 5% to 30%

Yeah T4 is much different, ive found.&nbsp; I don't mess with crafting etc cause I dotn know how all that jazz works.&nbsp; But about 4 hours of adventuring in Caledor made me about 20G. &nbsp;WTF?
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So money problems aren't at all an issue for me really anymore.
 
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Yeah, questing in T4 seems to really pay off!!&nbsp; Depositing gold now...

-Malikar
 
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Thanks alot for helping out guys! I've honestly been spending money on certain pieces of renown gear for Uchoo and getting my talisman up so I can provide everyone with uber talismans!
 
RE: VOTE ON GUILD TAX: Possible increase from 5% to 30%

Alright, the tax rate was changed to 30% tonight. Overall most people recieved it positively, but I still got a few tells asking about it.

We need to reassure members the reason we have this is we're no ordinary guild: as was seen with Ghrond's, we have the ability to hold keeps for DAYS at a time. But what that also means is we have to be able to address members who have concerns about the tax rate, especially new ones. So tell them why it's so high: I don't want anyone brushing off a new member because they're worried the tax rate is going to cut into their gold. Explain to them why it probably won't: also, tell them we'll be buying established members (i.e. people promoted beyond initiates) their mounts if they run tight on money.

Otherwise, I think this is a bold new step for the guild. Look forward to taking lots of keeps and holding them against pissed off Order warbands
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RE: VOTE ON GUILD TAX: Possible increase from 5% to 30%

Lord Tryden said:
Alright, the tax rate change was changed to 30% tonight. Overall most people recieved it positively, but I still got a few tells asking about it.

We need to reassure members the reason we have this is we're no ordinary guild: as was seen with Ghrond's, we have the ability to hold keeps for DAYS at a time. But what that also means is we have to be able to address members who have concerns about the tax rate, especially new ones. So tell them why it's so high: I don't want anyone brushing off a new member because they're worried the tax rate is going to cut into their gold. Explain to them why it probably won't: also, tell them we'll be buying established members (i.e. people promoted beyond initiates) their mounts if they run tight on money.

Otherwise, I think this is a bold new step for the guild. Look forward to taking lots of keeps and holding them against pissed off Order warbands
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</div><div>Wow! &nbsp;What a bold new step for the guild!!</div>
 
RE: VOTE ON GUILD TAX: Possible increase from 5% to 30%

I actually haven't seen anyone against the tax rate increase. Most people where wondering why it hadn't happened yet... lol. The guild XP boost is pretty uber, and worth it when we can afford it. It's been nice to hear so many people volunteering to drop 20+ gold in the guild vault the last few days as well. Just so everyone knows, you can make lump sum donations to the guild by going to the guild vault and typing in the ammount in the bottom area of the window.
 
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